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31 July 2014

Years of Work Experience, How to Compute?

One of the eligibility factors for the Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) in Canada 2014 is the Work Experience.  For some, it is a little bit confusing on how to define the number of years of work experience.

This is the frequently asked questions from my email Subscribers:

"What are the occupations that I should include in my years of work experience?"

What Are the Skill Levels 
In the application requirements, it states that your work experience for the past ten years should be in the Skill Type 0 , Skill Level A or B of the NOC 2011 list.

Here are the definition of each skills:

  • Skill Type 0 - These are from the Management Occupations and starts with a code number "0"
  • Skill Level A - Occupations that usually require university educations.
  • Skills Level B -  These are the occupations that usually requires college education or apprenticeship training.

Don't worry, I have found an easy resource for you to verify your work experience.  It is the National Occupational Classification Matrix 2011.

This will be your guide to know whether your previous occupation can be included in the years of your work experience. Click the photo...



How To Compare Your Occupation with the NOC 2011?
This time, you've probably determined the NOC Code of your occupations that was at the NOC Matrix 2011.

Now, the next thing you do is to use that NOC code and verify if the main duties or also called as the Job Description (JD) at the NOC 2011 is the same with that of your current or previous occupations.


You can click on this link, NOC Quick Search, to visit the Human Resources and Skills Development Canada website.

At the bottom-left part of the site, you can find the Quick Search box.  Please see the reference photo below.

Source: Human Resources and Skills Development Canada 

Key in the NOC code and it will redirect to the list of the main duties of that particular code.

Example: I am an Engineer. If I had experienced working as a Librarian for a year, for the past 10 years of my working career, then I can include 1 year for my Work Experience because this job is at the Skill Level A, according to the NOC Matrix 2011.
The NOC code of Librarian is 5111.  I keyed in 5111 at the Quick Search box and it showed this. 

Then I need to provide the Certificate of Employment (COE), with the same main duties or JD, from my employer, as a proof of my work experience.
Since Librarians are not included in the 50 eligible occupations list, I cannot make it as my Primary eligible occupation.  It will just be supplementary for my years of Work Experience.
Years of Work Experience Computation?
Provided that all occupations had their corresponding COEs. You can list and compute for the number of years of work experience like this.

Primary Occupation:
NOC 2172 Data Base Analyst  - 2 years (included in 50 eligible occupations list)

NOC 2234 (skill level B) Construction Estimator - 11 months (Not included in the computation)
NOC 2234 (skill level B) Assistant Estimator - 4 years
NOC 7251 (skill level B) Plumber - 2 years
NOC 5111 (skill Level A) Librarian - 1 year
NOC 9526 (skill Level C) Mechanical Assembler - 2 years  (Not included in the computation)

Total Work Experience : 9 years

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21 comments:

  1. Hi Ben Thanks for the informative chart! Can I double confirm with you if elementary school teachers will be considered as part of the work experience?

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    1. Hi gooble, my wife is an elementary school teacher too..:D

      Your code is 4032 (skill level A) and it's in the NOC and can be included in your work experience. Take a look at the main duties...

      Elementary School and Kindergarten Teachers


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  2. Gee. thanks Ben, was rather worried as it wasn't included in your links previously. Am relieved now.

    MOE does not provide job descriptions for primary school teachers, neither are the JD specified in the recruitment drive or online website. I have attached a corresponding email with MOE with the HR officer explaining that MOE does not provide a JD for MOE teachers, and explained in a letter with regards to the situation. However, the COE I received from MOE meets all the other requirements. Do you think it will suffice?

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    1. Hi Gobble, since it's a letter from the MOE, and I assume that this is a strong evidence, this will suffice as based on the Note from the Document Checklist (IMM5612), 4th paragraph.

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  3. hi ben,

    Is occupation must be the same with job position?
    Im CE but my post on my COE are Assistant Resident Engr., Project Engineer, etc.
    Will it be a problem later on? Or if the duties are matching the occupation Civil Engineer under NOC list it is ok?..

    Also, for your current job, what end date did you put if you are still currently working? should I write the word present on the YYYY-MM box?

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  4. Occupation title doesn't matter, but the Job Description does.

    If you're a CE (NOC 2131), verify if the Job Description (JD) of this occupation is the same with the job descriptions of your Asst Resident Engr., Proj Engr, etc...if they are the same, then you can specify CE (NOC 2131) as your Primary Occupation in your application. If this is not clear enough, inform me so I can make a dedicated post about it here.

    It's the day when you print the document.. (ex: Jan 2011 - July 2014), if you plan to print it today.

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  5. hi ben, im still confused. what will i write on the IMM0008 (E Schedule 3) work experience part:

    From To Occupation NOC Years of Experience Main Duties
    Asst. Res. Engineer 2131

    Should i write my current job position under the Occupation Part or the equivalent based based on job duties?

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  6. I have one question though in counting work experience..

    Example:
    Work Experience 1: 1year and 6 months
    Work Experience 2: 3 months
    Work Experience 3: 1 yrs and 3 months

    Is my total work experience = 3 years?

    Or I shouldn't count the months = 2 years

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    1. Hi Dennis,

      Please read my blog post about it here...I explained it there more clearly, so it's a bit long.. :D

      Years of Work Experience, How to Compute?

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  7. Dear All,

    Please help me filling "Schedule 3: Economic Classes-FSW (IMM 0008-Schedule 3)"

    I am a chemical engineer with 6 years experience and working in a Petroleum refinery. My present designation is Manager (Operations). I want to apply under 0911. Am I right?

    Point 12 of the form (Your work experience)
    secondly, I am working for 6 yrs in the same company after graduation. i am giving two format. Please suggest me which of the following is correct? or how else should i give my work exper

    Format-1
    2008-01 -- present Manager 0911 4 years or more Main Duties

    Format-2
    2013-03 -- present Manager 0911 1 years Main Duties
    2011-02 -- 2013-02 Deputy Manager 0911 2 years Main Duties
    2008-01 -- 2011-01 Assistant Manager 0911 3 years Main Duties

    waiting for your valuable help.

    thank u, SAJIB

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    1. Hi Sajib,
      0911 is for manufacturing Managers, please check the main duties of that NOC and compare it with yours. If it's the same, then it should be ok.

      Since you are using the same NOC since the start of your career. You can just use the FORMAT 1. We have the same structure, I only used format 1. Hope this helps.

      Tip: Don't put present...key in the date of printing/submission of your full application instead.

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  8. Hi Ben,
    I have exactly 4 years of experience in Singapore. I have 1 year in India. Its hard to get COE quickly. so, I have decide to put 4 year under NOC 2171. Additionally I have 6 moths internship in Singapore. Can I include that in my experience?

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  9. Hi Ben,
    In one of the application form. Its asking to fill what I am in Singapore. I mean as citizen,PR,worker, foreign national. I am working in IT (not PR). any idea I need to choose worker or foreign national?
    thanks

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  10. Hi Ben,
    In the application document checklist, I have seen I need to show some document to show relationship with spouse like life insurance ..
    I don't have any thing except marriage certificate.

    And do I need to make notary of marriage/birth certificates as I will be sending a copy(not original) to them.?

    thanks

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    1. You can send the photocopy of your marriage certificate to establish the relationship. If your certificate is not written in English, you need to notarize, otherwise, just a photocopy will do.

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  11. Hi,

    Im having a hard time computing the work experience since a have 3 companies I worked with but with different JOB TITLES.
    I worked as
    - CT Scan Technician (March 2014 to Present)
    - Radiolic Technologist (January 2010 to February 2013)
    - Ultrasound Technologist (November 2009 to March 2009)

    How many year of work experience can I count out of these 3 work experience under Federal Skilled Worker Program. I'm using Medical Radiation Technologists NOC 3215 for this application. Please help me.

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  12. Hi! I'm confused. I have 6 yrs and 1 month work experience as a staff nurse. How should this be computed? Do months no longer computed? Is the computation cumulative?

    Example:
    *Company A 3 months (48hrs./ week)
    Company B 2 years and 10 months (48hrs./week)
    Company C 1 year (48hrs./week)
    Company D 2 years (48hrs./week)

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  13. Hi Ben,

    I am going to apply for the NOC 2172 and am having total of of 3.6 years experience in the profession and having the internship of 6 months can i include that in the experience count, As the internship is based on the JD of mentioned NOC only . So waiting for your valuable feedback which will be useful for me.
    Thanks in advance Ben

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  14. Dear Sir,

    Can you please help me to Fill Point 12 in IMM0008 Schedule 3 Application

    I am confused with how to write my experience .It is clearly included in NOC (2133)
    But
    First 6-month Training with Salary ,48 Hrs duty/week (Company Steag India) Occupation : Graduate Engineer Trainee (Instrumentation and Control)
    Next 1 Year 5 Months ,Engineer with salary,48 Hrs duty/Week (Company Steag India)
    Next 5 Months ,Deputation to foreign SiteEngineer with salary,48 Hrs duty/Week (Company Steag India)
    Next 2 years(Current) Engineer with salary,48 Hrs duty/Week (Company Steag Botswana)(Group Company)Transferred while in deputation

    Total Experience : 6months+1year 5 months+5 months+2 years

    Queries

    1.Can i include 6 month training period(Induction period) ?
    2.Should i mention all these experience consolidated to one item and mention 4.5 years (Company names different but same group (STEAG India and STEAG Botswana) or as two different entries ?

    ​Please help me to solve this issue
    thanks in advance​

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    1. I sent you the email regarding this query.

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